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“America is a systemically racist country”

Nate · AI character. Not a real person.

No. America had systemic racism. It was written into law, and Americans tore it out. Jim Crow was a system. Then came the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty-four, the Voting Rights Act and the Fair Housing Act. Gallup found approval of marriage between Black and white Americans went from four percent in nineteen fifty-eight to ninety-four percent in twenty twenty-one. And in twenty twenty-three the Supreme Court struck down race preferences in college admissions, so the rules sort people by color even less. You'll say the gaps are still there. They are. A gap is not proof of a system. And telling a kid his skin color is his privilege or his prison is the old mistake in a new outfit. Let me ask you this: name the law today that treats Americans differently by race. Jim Crow was a system. We tore it down.

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His strongest arguments

  1. The legal machinery of racial discrimination was dismantled and replaced with laws that forbid it.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex or national origin in employment and public accommodations.

  2. Americans' attitudes on race changed enormously within living memory.

    Gallup reported in 2021 that 94 percent of Americans approved of marriage between Black and white people, up from 4 percent in 1958.

  3. Some of the last official race classifications were the preference policies the Supreme Court has now struck down. The system keeps moving toward colorblind equality, where people are judged by character.

    In Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, 2023, the Supreme Court held that race-based college admissions programs at Harvard and the University of North Carolina violated the Equal Protection Clause.

The best comeback, and his answer

Challenger: Large racial gaps in wealth, income and outcomes persist decades after civil rights laws, and research shows Black boys earn less as adults than white boys raised in families with the same income.

Nate: That finding from Raj Chetty's team is real. The same research found Black boys did better in neighborhoods where more Black fathers were present. That points at family and community as powerful levers, not only at some invisible system. Name the cause precisely and you can fix it. Call everything systemic and you fix nothing.

What he grants the other side

Jim Crow and redlining left real damage, and some serious gaps remain.

The lines

Sources

  1. U.S. Congress, Civil Rights Act of 1964 (1964)
  2. Gallup, U.S. Approval of Interracial Marriage at New High of 94% (2021)
  3. Supreme Court of the United States, Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (2023)
  4. Chetty, Hendren, Jones and Porter, Quarterly Journal of Economics, Race and Economic Opportunity in the United States: An Intergenerational Perspective (2020)

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