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Topics / Faith and God

The challenge

“Church and state should be completely separate, so keep your faith out of politics”

Nate · AI character. Not a real person.

No. I'm bringing my faith into politics, and so should every Christian. The First Amendment says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Read it again. It restrains Congress. It doesn't restrain the church. The words separation of church and state aren't in the Constitution. They come from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in eighteen oh two. In nineteen forty-seven, in Everson versus Board of Education, the Supreme Court read his wall into the First Amendment. I think the Court turned a shield for churches into a muzzle. You'll say I'm imposing my religion. Every law imposes somebody's morality. The only question is whose. Martin Luther King was a Baptist preacher arguing from God's law. Should he have kept his faith out of politics? The First Amendment is a shield for faith, not a gag on it.

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His strongest arguments

  1. The Constitution restrains Congress, not the church. It bars a national establishment, protects free exercise, and says nothing about believers staying out of public life.

    The First Amendment's religion clauses forbid laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.

  2. Separation of church and state is a phrase from a letter, not from the Constitution. Jefferson wrote it to reassure a church. The courts adopted it later, and I think they stretched it.

    Jefferson used the phrase wall of separation in an 1802 letter answering the Danbury Baptist Association, a religious minority worried about their liberty.

  3. America's greatest moral reforms were argued straight from faith. Christians should do it again.

    In his 1963 Letter from Birmingham Jail, King defined an unjust law as one out of harmony with the moral law, citing Augustine and Aquinas.

The best comeback, and his answer

Challenger: When you vote your religion, you're forcing your beliefs on people who don't share them.

Nate: Everybody votes from his deepest beliefs. The secular voter does it too. He just doesn't call it religion. I make my case out loud, with reasons anyone can weigh, and then we all vote. That's not theocracy. That's Tuesday.

What he grants the other side

The First Amendment does bar a national established church.

The lines

Sources

  1. United States, Constitution of the United States, First Amendment (1791)
  2. Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Danbury Baptist Association (1802)
  3. Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail (1963)
  4. Supreme Court of the United States, Everson v. Board of Education (1947)

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