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The challenge

“The rich don't pay their fair share”

Nate · AI character. Not a real person.

They pay more than their share. They pay most of the bill. IRS data show the top one percent pay more than forty percent of all federal income taxes. The bottom half pays a few percent. Picture splitting a dinner check where one guy covers almost half and the table still calls him cheap. Soak-the-rich plans never raise what they promise, either. The OECD counted twelve member countries with a wealth tax in nineteen ninety and four by twenty seventeen. They tried it and quit. You'll say billionaires borrow against their stock and dodge. Some do. Close that loophole. That's a repair job, not a reason to raise rates. I'd rather cut income taxes so workers keep what they earn. Let me ask you this: what percentage is fair? Name the number. If there's no finish line, it isn't fairness. It's just more.

Debate him on this

His strongest arguments

  1. The income tax is already steeply progressive. Top earners pay a share of the tax far bigger than their share of the income.

    IRS Statistics of Income data, summarized by the Tax Foundation, show the top 1 percent of filers paid more than 40 percent of federal income taxes in recent years, while the bottom 50 percent paid only a few percent.

  2. Count every federal tax, payroll included, and average rates still climb as income climbs.

    The Congressional Budget Office's distribution analysis finds that average federal tax rates are highest for the top income groups and lowest for the bottom groups.

  3. Soak-the-rich schemes like wealth taxes have a lousy record. Money and people move, the revenue disappoints, and the tax works its way down to everybody else.

    The OECD reported that the number of its member countries with a net wealth tax fell from 12 in 1990 to 4 in 2017.

The best comeback, and his answer

Challenger: Billionaires like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk can pay little income tax in some years. Their wealth sits in unrealized stock gains, and they can borrow against those gains instead of selling.

Nate: Unrealized gains aren't taxed until you sell, and some people work that hard. So fix that rule. It doesn't show the rich as a class pay too little, because they already fund the lion's share of the income tax. Fix the window. Don't burn down the house.

What he grants the other side

Some billionaires do keep their taxable income low by borrowing against their stock.

The lines

Sources

  1. Internal Revenue Service, Statistics of Income, Individual Income Tax Rates and Tax Shares (2024)
  2. Tax Foundation, Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2024 Update (2024)
  3. Congressional Budget Office, The Distribution of Household Income, 2020 (2023)
  4. OECD, The Role and Design of Net Wealth Taxes in the OECD (2018)

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